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Post by kuraudo on Sept 5, 2005 19:22:50 GMT -4
A Chibi Kuraudo walks out on a stage as he bows. Hello my friends my name is Kuraudo and I am here to help. Help with what you say? Well in short its about role playing in general. Here's a example that has been happening in a few post that I have been told about. Ex1. Kuraudo is sitting under a tree as his mind was off in another world thinking about the time he killed someone. No one knew of it but it still worried about it not knowing why he did it. ~post~ ~replie~ Joe walks up "Hey Kuraudo whats on your mind? seems like your thinking about the time you killed someone"
Now before I go on. Yes that was a exzderation of what has happen. Also no way I'm I saying anyone is that bad I'm just giving a exmaple here. Now What happen here is the person took out of chraacter knowledge as in this instance where Kuraudo killed someone. Joe was not there or was told about it yet he was acting like he did. This my friend is call meda gaming. Where someone takes out of character knowldge and uses it in chracter. A good example of this is you come to a chest. Your character doesn't know whats in it but out of game you know its a trap. Then you make your character do everything that is right to defuse the trap and open it when in reality if you didn't know what it was he would have open it normaly. A really good role player will not meda game. Even if they know whats going on they will post like they don't know whats going to happen because their character doesn't know. I'll give one more example here.
Ex2: "Hmmmm so I'm suppose to meet someone here... wonder who it is" A pair of eyes glimed from the bushes as they watched Kuraudo. ~post~ ~Replie~ Joe flies down from a roof top as he chases the eyes off by throwing several stars into the bush.
Now what was wrong with that? The character Joe does not know the eyes are there yet for some reason he attacks the bush? I don't think Joe walks around attacking random bushes for no reason now do you? Now not meda gaming will be hard at times but if you try not to then plot and stories get so much better and your own character devolpment will be much deeper and better as well.
I hope I helped those that are meda gaming stop or realize they have been and will try better at it. I do hope I didn't come off saying your doing everything wrong because no one has been doing that. Please enjoy your posting as others will enjoy much more to post with you if we all follow this. Also if you have more questions about posting or Meda gaming do pm me. I will answer all and any questions and if I get alot of them I will make a post like this to help teach those that are posting now AS well as the new people that will like to join our board. My appolgizes if it looked like I was picking on someone that was not my intent. Have a nice time posting now.
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Oki
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Post by Oki on Sept 5, 2005 19:45:47 GMT -4
Another thing that really bothers me, and it's pretty bad with some players on here, is being a munchkin. What's this mean? It means that they do things with their characters that they should not be able to do: They invent abilities and/or powers, alter techniques, or simply play their character at as if they were at a level beyond their current state, able to detect complicated "secret" devices. That sort of thing just ruins everyone's time, because the game then turns into a power struggle, since no one wants to feel completely inferior.
I also wish, some times, that there was a set way of distinguishing what the character is saying, what the character is doing and what the character is thinking. It gets confusing when there are no quotations used, even if the dialogue is a stand alone paragraph, because it could also very simply be something the character is thinking.
Eg. Wow, I'm so hungry said George as he and Fred made their way down the street.
I really hope it doesn't rain he thinks.
To me, it just seems a bit lazy to exclude something to immediately visually distinguish. It's standard writing to at least use quotations around dialogue.
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Post by kuraudo on Sept 5, 2005 19:54:55 GMT -4
Oki brings up a very good point. To help avoid such situations I would like to bring some peoel's attention to the reply button. Press it and it will bring you to a new window. Here there are many options that you don't have in the text box where the thread is at.
Now when talking " " those help alot.
"Hi" Bob said to jim Hi bob said to jim
Thats such a simple example yet you can tell with ease in the first one what is said like Oki pointed out. But what about when someone is thinking. This is why I wanted you guys to hit the reply button and not the post button so you see this new window. See the slanted I like this I Press it and a bow like this will apper . Now What does this do now. Well It makes you able to type like this if you type between the two bracets. So what it looks different. Lets use it in a example shall we.
Kuraudo thought to himself under a tree. Why Can't I ever get that jutsu right? As he was deep in thought he spoke to himself "This is rather annoying"
You can see where someone is thinking and speaking. Which now you get the deepth of a character and gives you information for a character to react. Like having them come up and ask what is so annoying instead of coming up and asking what justu he was working on because someone miss read something.
By no means do I mean everyone has to use these but if yuo could use some form of this it should help with confusion and let everyone have such a good time posting.
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Post by kazuki on Sept 5, 2005 19:59:26 GMT -4
ah meda-gaming, its like D&D 101 all over again noooooo!!!
but everything you both said makes perfect sense,and just as a reminder please use spell check, it helps really
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Yukio
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If killing is natural....why am I trained to do it
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Post by Yukio on Sept 7, 2005 1:58:58 GMT -4
Oki if its all the same, could we please avoid paying out the players on here, there arnt really that many to begin with so Its not hard to relise who you are talking about, its not your place to tell them what to do or how to act, if Akira and I think they go to far, we do something about it, but we are not prepared to read EVERYONES threads
There is no problem with inventing techniques as long as you do not go to far with them, we are Ninja who strive to be the best, in the anime Naruto invents his own techniques, why cant we, its being creative....once again as long as you do not go to far with it
Also I will agree with your other point about the way people write out their posts, I was guilt of that when I first started role playing on a different bored, but I grew out of it in time, sure I dont use the "" when I talk, but what I do is easy enough to understand, for example
Yukio walks the length of the classroom and heads up the stairs to find his seat loacted in the far corner of the class
Another day....another class spent with these nimrods...
When I post I usualy write out my actions, press enter twice, then write whact my character has to say, easy enough right
One last thing, not everyone on here has seen Naruto before, most of the players have, but not everyone, there is only so far explaining how things work can go if a person has not seen the real thing
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Oki
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Post by Oki on Sept 7, 2005 14:12:57 GMT -4
Oki if its all the same, could we please avoid paying out the players on here, there arnt really that many to begin with so Its not hard to relise who you are talking about, its not your place to tell them what to do or how to act, if Akira and I think they go to far, we do something about it, but we are not prepared to read EVERYONES threads I know it's not my place, and I'm not telling anyone anything. This entire thread is about suggestions, or that was my understanding of it, and if no one wants to listen to me, whatever. No big deal, because it's easiest enough most of the time to avoid these players. With only two admin and no mods, I realize it's a very big job to moderate an entire forum, but something more specific about what's considered "too far" needs to be put up because you don't have enough time to read everyone's threads. Like you said, many of the players here haven't seen Naruto before, and I'm one of them. But unless there are clear guidelines set up, you're going to start out with a few munchkins and then slowly but surely the number will increase. I've seen it on other boards and in other online RPGs.
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Yukio
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If killing is natural....why am I trained to do it
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Post by Yukio on Sept 7, 2005 20:19:48 GMT -4
I dont write the rules and I cant change them or well....something very bad will happen if I do it without Akira here, this bored hasnt been going for long and we are still writing out all the rules, we know we dont have all of them up just yet, but we put any that have been missed when we see a breach has occured, also some are new to the role playing exerience, we may get some who are unsure of how to role play....and then there are others who dont read the rules. By the way, have you read the character development thread in the rules, it states that your character shouldnt be able to use a high level jutsu until he or she is stronger....thats not word for word but pretty much the gist of it...so we have already done something about it, its just those who choose to either not read it or ignore it that ruin it for others All those who have not read this MUST READ rule, do so now nikita421.proboards38.com/index.cgi?board=rules&action=display&thread=1120411240And that concludes me being a admin for the day, Kuraudo sorry if I have gotten this to side tracked but please take it from here
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Post by kuraudo on Sept 7, 2005 20:48:10 GMT -4
Its ok. I want you both to know the admins that I am not trying to make up rules here nor am I trying to be a admin. I'm a player talking to other players and giving them SUGGESTIONS. In no way or form are these rules or standers how poopele should post or role play. Meda gaming. I thought if I brought to light the extrems of meda gaming those that may or furture people that may meda game may rethink how they do things. If people contuine to post as they do now thats fine. I'm not gonna start pming people nor will I make another thread about it. If the problem arrises more thats what you admins and any mods you have to take care of. My offer to help any and all people who have role playing questions can ask me and I will give them suggestions. Because a few popele here I think in alittle time will be role playing the best with everyone. Ok one last note. If either of you admins think I have over step my bounds do not modify this thread. If anything delete this thread and make a new board about faq and role playing tips. Right now I think the rules and help section is good enough for these things if they come up. That is what I have to say on the subject of the thread being here and the topics. If anyone else out there is confused on something or have any ideas of things we should cover please pm me or post. One of the ventern role players will help out with their suggestions. Ok so I was wrong before I have one more thing to say about this thread it self. If you guys have ideas or suggestions how to clear things up or answers to questions your more than welcome to post your thought and ideas. Sorry if I made this look like only I can give answers. Anyone can give their own answers and examples and if we want we can debate about that.
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Oki
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Post by Oki on Sept 7, 2005 22:35:08 GMT -4
I have actually read that thread. And I've been reading up about the jutsus, but I find it very confusing as it's difficult to know which jutsus are appropriate at each level. I'm not saying that you yourself have to change or invent rules right this second; if it seems like it, I appologize. But like you've said, where there are players on here who don't follow Naruto, it's going to be hard for them to know which techniques are considered powerful and which ones aren't with out some sort of ranking. If anything, maybe some of these suggestions made by players might help the admin later on with writing rules to help make the forum better. Not all of them are going to apply; some of them are simply ranting, and I know that some if it was even on my part (people doing things they seemingly shouldn't be able to do being the main one). But where you two are so busy, let the players be your eyes and ears some times, not just when they complain about a major problem. I know from working as a mad/admin myself that it really helps to build a tighter knit forum environment when rules are written based on player/member input because they do see more some times, and they can have a lot of insight into possible solutions. The trick is to filter out what's going to be useful and what's not.
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Yukio
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If killing is natural....why am I trained to do it
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Post by Yukio on Sept 7, 2005 22:48:18 GMT -4
Ok people thanks for your imput so far, and thank you Kuraudo for starting this thread which if it had not been made I would probably have ignored the issue
While Akira is away i shall take it upon myself to come up with a few guides for one of those bing
"Creating New Jutsu"
All the jutsu we have listed are not all in existance, for example the Bubun Baika no Jutsu (Partial Body Size Multiplier Technique) is not listed, there shall be rules to creating your own Jutsu and so forth....there are a few others that need to be done but any info on which you would like to see to role play better here would be a great help....and now I shall demonstrate my latest jutsu
Super Deluxe Cake Throwing no Jutsu!
*throws cake at random people*
Kekekekeke
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